1 00:00:05,349 --> 00:00:03,669 good morning and welcome to johnson 2 00:00:06,950 --> 00:00:05,359 space center we have here today 3 00:00:08,870 --> 00:00:06,960 representatives from nasa and the 4 00:00:10,470 --> 00:00:08,880 european space agency to talk about a 5 00:00:13,589 --> 00:00:10,480 new agreement sign that's going to get 6 00:00:15,350 --> 00:00:13,599 issa involved in the work on nasa's new 7 00:00:17,029 --> 00:00:15,360 spacecraft orion that's going to take 8 00:00:17,990 --> 00:00:17,039 humans farther than they've ever been 9 00:00:19,990 --> 00:00:18,000 before 10 00:00:22,630 --> 00:00:20,000 here to tell us about that today we have 11 00:00:25,029 --> 00:00:22,640 to my left bill gerstenmaier 12 00:00:27,349 --> 00:00:25,039 who is the nasa associate administrator 13 00:00:29,830 --> 00:00:27,359 for human exploration and operations 14 00:00:31,429 --> 00:00:29,840 then going down the line tomas ryder 15 00:00:34,069 --> 00:00:31,439 esa's director for human space flight 16 00:00:36,790 --> 00:00:34,079 and operations and mark guyer the orion 17 00:00:39,750 --> 00:00:36,800 program manager and bernardo potti who 18 00:00:41,350 --> 00:00:39,760 is the esa manager for iss operations 19 00:00:43,430 --> 00:00:41,360 we'll let them start out with a little 20 00:00:45,270 --> 00:00:43,440 bit of introduction on what exactly is 21 00:00:47,350 --> 00:00:45,280 going on and uh then we'll take 22 00:00:50,069 --> 00:00:47,360 questions here from the audience thanks 23 00:00:52,150 --> 00:00:50,079 okay thanks it you know as you described 24 00:00:54,630 --> 00:00:52,160 the orion capsule is the the vehicle 25 00:00:56,790 --> 00:00:54,640 that's going to take us really beyond 26 00:00:58,869 --> 00:00:56,800 low earth orbit and allow us to move 27 00:00:59,590 --> 00:00:58,879 human presence out into the solar system 28 00:01:01,830 --> 00:00:59,600 and 29 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:01,840 sitting behind that orion capsule sits a 30 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:03,840 device called a service module that 31 00:01:07,590 --> 00:01:05,040 provides 32 00:01:10,630 --> 00:01:07,600 some critical supplies and propulsion 33 00:01:12,710 --> 00:01:10,640 for the for the orion capsule itself and 34 00:01:15,109 --> 00:01:12,720 what we've we've done is we've got an 35 00:01:16,789 --> 00:01:15,119 agreement with our european partners to 36 00:01:19,350 --> 00:01:16,799 essentially 37 00:01:21,429 --> 00:01:19,360 have them develop 38 00:01:23,429 --> 00:01:21,439 the first service module and portions of 39 00:01:24,550 --> 00:01:23,439 the second service module for the orion 40 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:24,560 capsule and 41 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:27,200 and this has been a really pretty uh 42 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:29,520 amazing activity we'll describe it and 43 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:31,200 discuss with you more as you ask us some 44 00:01:35,670 --> 00:01:33,840 questions i had the privilege today of 45 00:01:38,469 --> 00:01:35,680 attending a ceremony we did an award 46 00:01:40,469 --> 00:01:38,479 ceremony for the orion team and the 47 00:01:41,830 --> 00:01:40,479 european team for 48 00:01:44,149 --> 00:01:41,840 the amount of work that they've done in 49 00:01:46,230 --> 00:01:44,159 getting prepared to get to this moment 50 00:01:47,590 --> 00:01:46,240 you know to to make a commitment this 51 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:47,600 big there needs to be a lot of 52 00:01:51,030 --> 00:01:49,360 engineering done behind the scenes to 53 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:51,040 make sure that this is really the right 54 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:53,040 thing to go do can we really integrate 55 00:01:56,950 --> 00:01:54,880 these two vehicles together where you 56 00:01:59,109 --> 00:01:56,960 define the interfaces how do you make 57 00:02:00,950 --> 00:01:59,119 this happen and and the teams have done 58 00:02:02,950 --> 00:02:00,960 just a tremendous job over the past 59 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:02,960 several months of figuring out all those 60 00:02:07,109 --> 00:02:04,960 technical interfaces we're also 61 00:02:09,430 --> 00:02:07,119 intergovernmental agreements that needed 62 00:02:10,869 --> 00:02:09,440 to get put in place some some other 63 00:02:12,309 --> 00:02:10,879 activities that needed to be done and 64 00:02:14,229 --> 00:02:12,319 and we spent a little bit of time today 65 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:14,239 to recognize the folks the teams that 66 00:02:17,510 --> 00:02:16,160 actually did all that work and it was 67 00:02:18,949 --> 00:02:17,520 pretty amazing just sitting there 68 00:02:21,510 --> 00:02:18,959 watching the 69 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:21,520 the awards get passed out from the 70 00:02:24,390 --> 00:02:23,360 italians that were here europeans were 71 00:02:30,790 --> 00:02:24,400 here 72 00:02:32,949 --> 00:02:30,800 um to just to see this international 73 00:02:34,949 --> 00:02:32,959 team come together and and be 74 00:02:36,869 --> 00:02:34,959 this commitment so what we're going to 75 00:02:38,710 --> 00:02:36,879 describe and what's represented by this 76 00:02:41,030 --> 00:02:38,720 signature is really much bigger than 77 00:02:43,270 --> 00:02:41,040 just a simple signature it is really an 78 00:02:44,949 --> 00:02:43,280 integration of the the service module 79 00:02:46,869 --> 00:02:44,959 with the orion capsule as we move 80 00:02:48,790 --> 00:02:46,879 forward so it was pretty amazing to see 81 00:02:51,270 --> 00:02:48,800 that the other thing that was also 82 00:02:54,150 --> 00:02:51,280 intriguing was you know this is part of 83 00:02:56,390 --> 00:02:54,160 iss the some of the the funding for this 84 00:02:58,470 --> 00:02:56,400 is coming through the common systems ops 85 00:03:00,470 --> 00:02:58,480 costs that that are owed for the station 86 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:00,480 partnership so that enabled this 87 00:03:05,589 --> 00:03:02,480 cooperation but i think more importantly 88 00:03:07,509 --> 00:03:05,599 than that that financial piece is just 89 00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:07,519 the experience that was gained through 90 00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:09,920 the international space station to to 91 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:11,680 build this wonderful facility we have on 92 00:03:15,750 --> 00:03:13,200 orbit we needed to work a lot of 93 00:03:17,589 --> 00:03:15,760 technical issues a lot of technical 94 00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:17,599 problems and that experience gained and 95 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:19,120 that trust that came between our 96 00:03:24,149 --> 00:03:21,920 european partners and our nasa teams 97 00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:24,159 allowed us to really go ahead and put 98 00:03:28,149 --> 00:03:26,000 together this service module agreement 99 00:03:30,229 --> 00:03:28,159 that you see today so so again as we 100 00:03:32,949 --> 00:03:30,239 talk about space station being that 101 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:32,959 first step in exploration it is 102 00:03:36,309 --> 00:03:34,720 physically the kind of the first step in 103 00:03:38,149 --> 00:03:36,319 exploration but i would say it also 104 00:03:39,670 --> 00:03:38,159 paved the way in terms of international 105 00:03:42,229 --> 00:03:39,680 agreements international working 106 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:42,239 together contractors working together to 107 00:03:47,350 --> 00:03:45,120 really take that cooperation to a 108 00:03:49,910 --> 00:03:47,360 different level internationally so again 109 00:03:51,910 --> 00:03:49,920 just a tremendous day to participate in 110 00:03:53,830 --> 00:03:51,920 that awards activity than to be here for 111 00:03:55,350 --> 00:03:53,840 this press conference so i look forward 112 00:03:57,670 --> 00:03:55,360 to your questions and i'll turn it over 113 00:03:59,509 --> 00:03:57,680 to thomas for some opening remarks 114 00:04:01,429 --> 00:03:59,519 thomas thank you very much bill good 115 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:01,439 morning ladies and gentlemen also from 116 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:03,360 my side i have to say this is a 117 00:04:09,270 --> 00:04:06,239 remarkable moment for asa 118 00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:09,280 you can imagine that the iss cooperation 119 00:04:13,910 --> 00:04:11,840 in the past years has already shown some 120 00:04:17,110 --> 00:04:13,920 evolution and this is another step of 121 00:04:19,189 --> 00:04:17,120 this evolution as bill already has 122 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:19,199 explained here i would even say it's a 123 00:04:23,990 --> 00:04:21,600 new page we are opening a new page in 124 00:04:27,030 --> 00:04:24,000 the transatlantic corporation 125 00:04:29,030 --> 00:04:27,040 for asa being involved in the building 126 00:04:31,990 --> 00:04:29,040 of a space transportation system 127 00:04:34,150 --> 00:04:32,000 us-based transportation system which 128 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:34,160 will give a perspective for humans to go 129 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:37,520 beyond low earth orbit certainly 130 00:04:41,270 --> 00:04:39,040 low earth orbit will remain a 131 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:41,280 destination for us we have a fantastic 132 00:04:46,230 --> 00:04:43,680 infrastructure in orbit which we will be 133 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:46,240 utilizing in the next years to the end 134 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:48,080 of this decade certainly beyond this 135 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:50,880 decade there will be the need also to 136 00:04:55,749 --> 00:04:53,520 utilize low earth orbit for 137 00:04:58,230 --> 00:04:55,759 various scientific reasons but another 138 00:05:00,070 --> 00:04:58,240 aspect is of course to bring humans 139 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:00,080 beyond low earth orbit to new 140 00:05:03,749 --> 00:05:02,320 destinations and this cooperation i 141 00:05:05,749 --> 00:05:03,759 think 142 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:05,759 brings us into 143 00:05:10,150 --> 00:05:07,280 this endeavor 144 00:05:12,310 --> 00:05:10,160 it is building upon atv heritage as we 145 00:05:14,710 --> 00:05:12,320 say you are very well aware that asa is 146 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:14,720 providing supply vehicles 147 00:05:19,749 --> 00:05:17,280 to the international space station the 148 00:05:22,070 --> 00:05:19,759 fourth of these atvs will be launched in 149 00:05:24,390 --> 00:05:22,080 april this year 150 00:05:25,590 --> 00:05:24,400 the last one will be launched next year 151 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:25,600 and 152 00:05:31,029 --> 00:05:27,919 based on the experience that we have 153 00:05:32,870 --> 00:05:31,039 gathered in asia in european industry we 154 00:05:35,590 --> 00:05:32,880 are now building upon that in the 155 00:05:36,550 --> 00:05:35,600 context of this cooperation 156 00:05:39,110 --> 00:05:36,560 also 157 00:05:39,990 --> 00:05:39,120 coming to this award ceremony this 158 00:05:40,790 --> 00:05:40,000 morning 159 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:40,800 for 160 00:05:45,430 --> 00:05:43,120 i think both teams from our side 161 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:45,440 certainly it was a running start 162 00:05:51,510 --> 00:05:48,240 um isa has been working after the last 163 00:05:54,150 --> 00:05:51,520 ministerial conference in 2008 on a on a 164 00:05:55,590 --> 00:05:54,160 concept study arv and we very much 165 00:05:58,710 --> 00:05:55,600 benefited 166 00:06:01,350 --> 00:05:58,720 from this study to come together with a 167 00:06:03,590 --> 00:06:01,360 technical team from nasa to really pick 168 00:06:05,909 --> 00:06:03,600 up very quickly and prepare 169 00:06:07,510 --> 00:06:05,919 all the needed work in order to prepare 170 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:07,520 the decision in our ministerial 171 00:06:10,309 --> 00:06:09,120 conference 172 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:10,319 also 173 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:12,160 as a follow-up of this decision there 174 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:13,120 was an 175 00:06:18,710 --> 00:06:15,280 implementation agreement 176 00:06:20,629 --> 00:06:18,720 elaborated by both sides it was endorsed 177 00:06:23,270 --> 00:06:20,639 by the u.s state department it was 178 00:06:25,430 --> 00:06:23,280 endorsed by the aesa council in 179 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:25,440 december last year and now we are really 180 00:06:29,510 --> 00:06:27,680 set to go ahead we are very much aware 181 00:06:31,909 --> 00:06:29,520 that a lot of 182 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:31,919 difficult and complicated work is still 183 00:06:36,629 --> 00:06:34,240 ahead of us but that is very inspiring 184 00:06:41,189 --> 00:06:36,639 and i think all of us are looking 185 00:06:44,309 --> 00:06:42,550 thank you 186 00:06:45,110 --> 00:06:44,319 so it's a great day for ryan we get to 187 00:06:47,189 --> 00:06:45,120 add 188 00:06:49,749 --> 00:06:47,199 key experience on the easter side that 189 00:06:52,469 --> 00:06:49,759 as as mr ryder mentioned came from their 190 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:52,479 iss experience in atv and before 191 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:54,240 um i thought it was important for us to 192 00:06:57,029 --> 00:06:55,919 be clear on terminology so i've got a 193 00:06:58,790 --> 00:06:57,039 slide 194 00:07:00,830 --> 00:06:58,800 to show a little bit there you go uh go 195 00:07:01,909 --> 00:07:00,840 ahead and go to the next 196 00:07:03,270 --> 00:07:01,919 okay it's 197 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:03,280 very good and it might be hard to see 198 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:05,199 but these are these uh would be 199 00:07:08,790 --> 00:07:06,800 available to hand out when we talk about 200 00:07:10,150 --> 00:07:08,800 the different parts of the 201 00:07:12,309 --> 00:07:10,160 orion it's really important i need to 202 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:12,319 pull on the part of how important this 203 00:07:16,710 --> 00:07:14,960 is element is to the orion mission and 204 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:16,720 also relate it to 205 00:07:20,790 --> 00:07:18,240 uh the definition of the different parts 206 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:20,800 of orion so obviously at the at the top 207 00:07:24,950 --> 00:07:22,720 is the is the crew module and i'll talk 208 00:07:27,029 --> 00:07:24,960 a little bit about that uh later as as a 209 00:07:28,629 --> 00:07:27,039 little bit about eft one in a minute but 210 00:07:30,790 --> 00:07:28,639 there are other elements 211 00:07:32,469 --> 00:07:30,800 of the orion that make up the service 212 00:07:33,990 --> 00:07:32,479 module the service so the service module 213 00:07:35,589 --> 00:07:34,000 is really everything below the crew 214 00:07:37,589 --> 00:07:35,599 module and now we've 215 00:07:39,589 --> 00:07:37,599 shaded the stuff in gray 216 00:07:42,309 --> 00:07:39,599 that will retain will will remain with 217 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:42,319 nasa there's a crew module adapter which 218 00:07:45,749 --> 00:07:44,240 is a very tight tolerance with the heat 219 00:07:47,670 --> 00:07:45,759 shield so we're going to retain that 220 00:07:49,909 --> 00:07:47,680 piece and there's fairings and an 221 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:49,919 adapter to the launch vehicle that we're 222 00:07:54,150 --> 00:07:51,840 actually going to fly on eft-1 and in 223 00:07:55,749 --> 00:07:54,160 this deal we we we leave that with nasa 224 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:55,759 right i think that's the best economical 225 00:07:58,869 --> 00:07:56,960 thing to do something we've already 226 00:08:01,110 --> 00:07:58,879 built we're going to keep but issa now 227 00:08:03,189 --> 00:08:01,120 will provide that core as you see kind 228 00:08:05,670 --> 00:08:03,199 of the highlighted white area in there 229 00:08:07,350 --> 00:08:05,680 in the middle which has the propulsion 230 00:08:08,950 --> 00:08:07,360 power generation 231 00:08:11,029 --> 00:08:08,960 radiators 232 00:08:12,869 --> 00:08:11,039 consumable storage so it's obviously 233 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:12,879 it's a key part of the service module 234 00:08:20,629 --> 00:08:18,390 most of the gray will fly on eft 1 and 235 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:20,639 the esa part will allow us to move on to 236 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:23,680 em-1 which is the flight in 2017. 237 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:24,639 so 238 00:08:27,670 --> 00:08:26,080 mr reiter said it very well we didn't 239 00:08:29,270 --> 00:08:27,680 just start yesterday on this the team 240 00:08:31,430 --> 00:08:29,280 has been working this concept for a 241 00:08:33,190 --> 00:08:31,440 while uh we did actually the system 242 00:08:34,949 --> 00:08:33,200 design review last year they're here 243 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:34,959 this week actually working details to 244 00:08:39,110 --> 00:08:37,440 get us to a preliminary design review 245 00:08:41,589 --> 00:08:39,120 um and to move us forward i think it's 246 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:41,599 great that we're using the iss 247 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:44,320 experience not just technically but 248 00:08:47,990 --> 00:08:45,760 working together a lot of the same 249 00:08:49,670 --> 00:08:48,000 experts are working on both sides and we 250 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:49,680 get to apply that to this great 251 00:08:54,470 --> 00:08:52,000 exploration mission 252 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:54,480 orion of course is not not just a 253 00:08:58,630 --> 00:08:55,920 powerpoint picture like that we're 254 00:09:00,150 --> 00:08:58,640 actually flying in 20 months uh eft one 255 00:09:02,070 --> 00:09:00,160 is flying in 20 months and we're down at 256 00:09:05,030 --> 00:09:02,080 the cape uh installing hardware as we 257 00:09:07,030 --> 00:09:05,040 speak and doing software testing in 258 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:07,040 denver so it's a great time exciting 259 00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:08,800 time for us both near term and also now 260 00:09:13,110 --> 00:09:11,440 with this great new agreement 261 00:09:15,509 --> 00:09:13,120 becoming more international as we go 262 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:15,519 beyond low-earth orbit 263 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:17,839 bernardo 264 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:19,920 just a few remark 265 00:09:24,550 --> 00:09:23,040 i would like to say that uh yes thanks 266 00:09:26,630 --> 00:09:24,560 to the approval 267 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:26,640 of the program by our member states and 268 00:09:29,910 --> 00:09:28,240 by the signature of the 269 00:09:32,070 --> 00:09:29,920 implementing arrangement between naz and 270 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:32,080 esa now we are starting to ramp up our 271 00:09:35,269 --> 00:09:34,160 teams we are placing industrial 272 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:35,279 contracts 273 00:09:39,509 --> 00:09:37,440 and we are facing the 274 00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:39,519 very challenging schedule that will 275 00:09:44,470 --> 00:09:40,720 bring us 276 00:09:45,269 --> 00:09:44,480 to pdr uh by the second part of the year 277 00:09:47,350 --> 00:09:45,279 so 278 00:09:50,310 --> 00:09:47,360 it's all the team are extremely excited 279 00:09:52,630 --> 00:09:50,320 and enthusiastic to carry on on indies 280 00:09:53,829 --> 00:09:52,640 in endeavour and 281 00:09:55,350 --> 00:09:53,839 well 282 00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:55,360 they are here this week 283 00:09:58,870 --> 00:09:57,040 making good progress 284 00:10:01,430 --> 00:09:58,880 and we look forward for 285 00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:01,440 the pdr to confirm that all the 286 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:03,680 expectations that we are building up are 287 00:10:09,430 --> 00:10:06,480 going to materialize further thank you 288 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:10,870 okay we're going to take questions now 289 00:10:14,389 --> 00:10:12,720 we'll start here in the room with the 290 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:14,399 reporters in attendance and then after 291 00:10:16,949 --> 00:10:16,000 that we'll take questions from the phone 292 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:16,959 bridge 293 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:20,880 we can start with mark crowe 294 00:10:25,269 --> 00:10:21,839 thanks 295 00:10:26,630 --> 00:10:25,279 mark caro for aviation week 296 00:10:28,870 --> 00:10:26,640 this puts 297 00:10:32,870 --> 00:10:28,880 isa in the critical path for the early 298 00:10:35,110 --> 00:10:32,880 development of the orion and 299 00:10:38,310 --> 00:10:35,120 potentially the rest of the 300 00:10:41,110 --> 00:10:38,320 sls and so forth i wonder if you might 301 00:10:43,509 --> 00:10:41,120 talk about the significance 302 00:10:45,670 --> 00:10:43,519 of that that's 303 00:10:46,389 --> 00:10:45,680 a different element in the development 304 00:10:48,069 --> 00:10:46,399 and 305 00:10:49,670 --> 00:10:48,079 what does that mean in a big picture 306 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:49,680 sense and i think that's from mr 307 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:53,120 gerstenmaier and mr rider 308 00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:55,440 again i think you characterized it uh 309 00:10:59,110 --> 00:10:57,200 very well we've we put issa in a 310 00:11:01,829 --> 00:10:59,120 critical path and we don't do that 311 00:11:02,949 --> 00:11:01,839 lightly so as we talked about we did 312 00:11:09,590 --> 00:11:02,959 this 313 00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:09,600 together and as mark showed you in the 314 00:11:13,829 --> 00:11:11,920 graphic we were also pretty smart about 315 00:11:15,910 --> 00:11:13,839 how we picked the interfaces so if you 316 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:15,920 look at the way the interfaces are 317 00:11:20,870 --> 00:11:18,000 picked the primary load carrying 318 00:11:23,110 --> 00:11:20,880 capability is is through that spacecraft 319 00:11:25,590 --> 00:11:23,120 adapter through those jettisonable 320 00:11:27,030 --> 00:11:25,600 fairings on the outside then up to that 321 00:11:29,190 --> 00:11:27,040 orion 322 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:29,200 module adapter that is critical with the 323 00:11:33,509 --> 00:11:31,200 heat shield so that primary load path is 324 00:11:35,910 --> 00:11:33,519 through the outside so that helps ease 325 00:11:37,590 --> 00:11:35,920 some of the integration activities so we 326 00:11:39,509 --> 00:11:37,600 didn't want to give them a technical 327 00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:39,519 challenge it would be so difficult that 328 00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:41,360 it would be almost impossible for them 329 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:43,839 to pull this off so we we worked very 330 00:11:47,509 --> 00:11:45,600 closely and what's interesting is it 331 00:11:48,870 --> 00:11:47,519 wasn't just the nasa teams we actually 332 00:11:50,389 --> 00:11:48,880 brought in the contractors that are 333 00:11:51,990 --> 00:11:50,399 going to be doing this work and we had 334 00:11:54,389 --> 00:11:52,000 them help us figure out where to put 335 00:11:56,310 --> 00:11:54,399 those interfaces so we put them in the 336 00:11:57,670 --> 00:11:56,320 critical path i would tell you we 337 00:11:59,190 --> 00:11:57,680 probably would not have done that 338 00:12:01,750 --> 00:11:59,200 without the experience we've had in 339 00:12:04,069 --> 00:12:01,760 space station on space station we've 340 00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:04,079 learned the real meaning of cooperation 341 00:12:07,750 --> 00:12:05,440 it isn't 342 00:12:10,069 --> 00:12:07,760 actually not counting on your partner to 343 00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:10,079 be there it's actually giving up a piece 344 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:11,040 of the 345 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:14,160 you're going to do and actually counting 346 00:12:18,069 --> 00:12:16,320 on that partner to deliver so this 347 00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:18,079 wasn't done lightly i'm confident that 348 00:12:22,389 --> 00:12:20,320 the isa team and industrial team and the 349 00:12:24,550 --> 00:12:22,399 nasa teams and the contractors teams can 350 00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:24,560 deliver on this thing but this will 351 00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:27,200 build us that first step so when we talk 352 00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:29,360 about international cooperation 353 00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:31,360 it's not talked about lightly here we 354 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:33,040 are really doing international 355 00:12:37,829 --> 00:12:35,440 cooperation and as we push humans out 356 00:12:39,430 --> 00:12:37,839 into the into the solar system we're 357 00:12:42,790 --> 00:12:39,440 doing it internationally and this is 358 00:12:45,430 --> 00:12:42,800 that first step so i i think it's uh 359 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:45,440 you know it's not 100 comfortable but 360 00:12:50,150 --> 00:12:48,480 i'm never 100 comfortable so it's okay 361 00:12:53,269 --> 00:12:50,160 and then we'll we'll see how it goes but 362 00:12:55,670 --> 00:12:53,279 we've done it smartly and thomas i think 363 00:12:57,829 --> 00:12:55,680 yes thank you very much bill i would 364 00:12:59,829 --> 00:12:57,839 just like to stress again what uh also 365 00:13:01,750 --> 00:12:59,839 you will have mentioned before i mean 366 00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:01,760 exploration in future 367 00:13:06,069 --> 00:13:03,920 i think will become more and more an 368 00:13:08,389 --> 00:13:06,079 international endeavor when we are 369 00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:08,399 talking about cooperation it is not just 370 00:13:12,150 --> 00:13:10,240 because of political reasons but we are 371 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:12,160 looking for synergies in technical in 372 00:13:17,269 --> 00:13:14,160 programmatic way and that is very very 373 00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:17,279 good example exactly in that context as 374 00:13:21,509 --> 00:13:20,000 i mentioned in my introductory statement 375 00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:21,519 asa has 376 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:24,959 proven to be a reliable partner to 377 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:27,040 in the context of the space station 378 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:30,320 program we are operating together with 379 00:13:36,790 --> 00:13:33,760 all iss partners our infrastructure 380 00:13:40,150 --> 00:13:36,800 in orbit and i think based on that based 381 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:40,160 on specifically the atv heritage i think 382 00:13:44,550 --> 00:13:43,120 this is a good choice to make in order 383 00:13:46,629 --> 00:13:44,560 to 384 00:13:48,629 --> 00:13:46,639 exploit synergies that have been 385 00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:48,639 developed in the past and that can be 386 00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:51,760 beneficial for um reaching common 387 00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:55,910 okay 388 00:13:59,990 --> 00:13:58,079 captain quinn from ktrk here in houston 389 00:14:01,509 --> 00:14:00,000 uh for mr gerstenmaier 390 00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:01,519 number one you mentioned that you're not 391 00:14:04,550 --> 00:14:02,399 100 392 00:14:06,629 --> 00:14:04,560 comfortable with this can you expand on 393 00:14:08,710 --> 00:14:06,639 that please and explain 394 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:08,720 why there's still that 395 00:14:12,389 --> 00:14:10,160 that lack of 100 396 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:12,399 and then number two can you explain also 397 00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:14,320 for folks at home big picture what is 398 00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:16,720 this what does this mean for our ability 399 00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:18,880 to get beyond lower earth orbit for the 400 00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:21,519 first time in 40 years 401 00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:23,600 yeah i guess uh you know my 402 00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:25,360 my comfortable words are are really kind 403 00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,279 of my words right in in our in our world 404 00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:31,360 you know we're we're really pushing 405 00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:32,800 challenges and we're doing things that 406 00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:34,720 have really not been done before you 407 00:14:39,750 --> 00:14:37,680 know this capsule we're talking about is 408 00:14:41,430 --> 00:14:39,760 going to go beyond 409 00:14:43,910 --> 00:14:41,440 beyond the distance to the moon we're 410 00:14:45,590 --> 00:14:43,920 going to go extend beyond that it's 411 00:14:48,310 --> 00:14:45,600 going to eventually be the vehicle we 412 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:48,320 will use to go to asteroids and to mars 413 00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:50,160 and if i told you today i'm comfortable 414 00:14:54,389 --> 00:14:51,920 with all this stuff and all the design 415 00:14:56,629 --> 00:14:54,399 sits there you should be asking me 416 00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:56,639 how can you be comfortable and so i 417 00:15:01,590 --> 00:14:59,279 think as a common person looking forward 418 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:01,600 these are challenges but we're not 419 00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:04,079 foolish right and and that's why we 420 00:15:07,829 --> 00:15:05,839 chose the interfaces where we did that's 421 00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:07,839 why we had the contractors talk to each 422 00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:10,720 other to evaluate up front to make sure 423 00:15:14,629 --> 00:15:12,959 things that are all right that are there 424 00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:14,639 we've got you know we've got a very 425 00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:17,279 tight schedule to do it as as mark and 426 00:15:21,269 --> 00:15:19,440 bernardo talked about the preliminary 427 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:21,279 design review later this year i mean 428 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:24,000 that's that is really fast in terms of 429 00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:25,680 development but again we've done a lot 430 00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:27,760 of preliminary work up front we're 431 00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:29,519 taking advantage of some heritage hard 432 00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:32,720 work hardware so all that that works but 433 00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,560 but i'm a realist in the fact that i 434 00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:36,800 know that this won't be easy and and if 435 00:15:39,910 --> 00:15:38,560 i was comfortable and i was up here then 436 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:39,920 you should be questioning me what's 437 00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:42,160 wrong with me so so the fact that i tell 438 00:15:45,749 --> 00:15:44,160 you i'm uncomfortable that's exactly 439 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:45,759 where i want to be that's where i want 440 00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:47,600 my team i want them pushing we're going 441 00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:50,639 to be innovative creative push forward 442 00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:52,399 and work in an international and 443 00:15:55,350 --> 00:15:54,399 cooperative manner and we'll do that but 444 00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:55,360 it doesn't say you have to be 445 00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:58,000 comfortable when you go do that 446 00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:00,720 okay gina um this question is for bill 447 00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:03,600 and for mark how tough is it to design a 448 00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:05,040 system like this when you don't know 449 00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:06,720 exactly where you're going you know 450 00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:08,000 you're going to go to the space station 451 00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:09,199 but you don't know if you're going to 452 00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:12,000 the moon or mars or an asteroid i mean 453 00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,240 mark when i interviewed you last year 454 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:16,639 the plan was an asteroid well 455 00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:18,160 you know how do you design a vehicle 456 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:19,600 when you don't really know where it's 457 00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:21,199 going to go 458 00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:23,279 you know i would say we we have the 459 00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:25,519 basic requirements understood we know 460 00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:27,920 what uh change in velocity or how much 461 00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:29,839 propellant this vehicle needs to carry 462 00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:31,839 we know what its basic structural load 463 00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:33,839 capability is we know how long the life 464 00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:35,600 support systems need to be there we know 465 00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:37,839 how many crew we're going to carry so we 466 00:16:42,389 --> 00:16:40,320 know all those parameters so 467 00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:42,399 you know you know you don't design a car 468 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:44,560 to just go to the grocery store you 469 00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:46,720 design a car that can go to the grocery 470 00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:48,560 store and go to the shopping mall and 471 00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:50,560 maybe drive across the country you know 472 00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:52,320 do other things so it's the same kind of 473 00:16:56,230 --> 00:16:54,000 thing here as engineers we take those 474 00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,240 basic requirements to do these multiple 475 00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:58,399 destinations these multiple locations 476 00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:00,240 and we're building a system that will 477 00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,800 allow us to go explore those we we no 478 00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:04,640 longer want to build a system that is 479 00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:06,720 optimized for one particular destination 480 00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:09,199 we want a system that can actually push 481 00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:11,280 human presence out into the solar system 482 00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:13,120 and allow us to go all these definite 483 00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:15,280 all these different destinations so what 484 00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,959 we've done is we've broken that down 485 00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:18,480 into the requirements that allow us to 486 00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:20,640 capture all these destinations scarred 487 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:22,640 some interfaces to grow a little bit in 488 00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:24,640 the area so i think the teams are very 489 00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:26,240 comfortable with what we've we've laid 490 00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:27,520 out in front of them and they understand 491 00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:29,679 the requirements they need to build too 492 00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:32,559 yeah bill said great i'll just add so we 493 00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:34,000 this this vehicle has a lot of 494 00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:35,520 capability to do a lot of different 495 00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:36,720 missions you know when you talk about 496 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:38,640 volume and delta v and 497 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:39,760 um 498 00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:41,760 and ability to carry crew it's really 499 00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:44,000 got a lot of flexibility so we've also 500 00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:45,840 we participate in those architecture 501 00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:47,440 studies that happen at headquarters as 502 00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:49,360 they talk about new missions to make 503 00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:51,840 sure that we understand what what if any 504 00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:53,760 updates we would need to make but even 505 00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:55,120 at this point even with all those 506 00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:57,440 different discussions our plans for em1 507 00:18:02,870 --> 00:17:59,200 em2 haven't changed because this is a 508 00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:05,190 okay i don't see any other questions 509 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:06,480 here in the room so we'll come back 510 00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:08,000 later for follow-ups but for now we'll 511 00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:09,840 go to our phone bridge 512 00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:11,679 we'll go in the order that you called 513 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,880 and if you could be sure and address 514 00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:14,160 your question to the person who'd like 515 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:15,760 to answer it that would be helpful i 516 00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:17,200 will start with lisa grossman from new 517 00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:27,350 lisa you may need to take your phone off 518 00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:35,029 okay 519 00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:45,909 hello this is lisa from new scientists 520 00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:47,760 are you still there did i miss it yes 521 00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:49,760 yes go ahead lisa okay great um i was 522 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:51,280 wondering if you could lay out a little 523 00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,280 bit more clearly which parts of the 524 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:54,960 vehicle are going to be nasa-based and 525 00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:56,400 which you're going to be issa based and 526 00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:02,070 sure um can you see the graphic where 527 00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:04,400 you are yes okay good so i think they 528 00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:06,160 put up the right one there's a picture 529 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,679 of it the 530 00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,600 uh and the stuff in gray if you look can 531 00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:11,440 we i had kind of had them gray it out so 532 00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:13,360 it was a little easier to delineate that 533 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:14,480 is 534 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:17,520 uh the nasa uh and lockheed built 535 00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:20,000 spacecraft pieces uh what you don't see 536 00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:21,360 on there is the launch abort system 537 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:23,039 which is where obviously nasa is 538 00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,640 retaining as well 539 00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:26,480 but the gray parts which again are the 540 00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,480 command module and then really 541 00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,720 structural interface pieces the fairings 542 00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:32,559 this the spacecraft adapter to the 543 00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:34,480 launch vehicle and then that 544 00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:36,320 crew module adapter which interfaces 545 00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:37,039 with 546 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,480 the heat shield and the crew module so 547 00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,720 the white part there 548 00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:42,480 again is the core piece and esa's 549 00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,559 providing that and as i said it has the 550 00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:46,160 solar rays you'll notice also in the 551 00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:47,600 pictures now the orion will look 552 00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,960 different it'll 553 00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,880 the arrays look a lot like an atv so i 554 00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,799 think that's a visual representation of 555 00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:54,320 this agreement and the changes that 556 00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:55,520 we're making 557 00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,039 the radiators are on that part of the 558 00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,960 spacecraft obviously the key propulsion 559 00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:00,080 elements 560 00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,200 there's storable consumables 561 00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:05,200 for the crew and so forth are in there 562 00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,559 so a lot of key elements 563 00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:10,640 that will be provided by eso 564 00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,710 and how is this different from what was 565 00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:18,480 being planned before 566 00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:20,799 before the entire element that was in 567 00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,120 white was a nasa lockheed 568 00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:25,520 uh element that would be provided 569 00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:28,480 so again this deal is for uh em1 570 00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:31,520 uh so for the first flight this white no 571 00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,520 highlighted area will be provided by esa 572 00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,280 in the past the entire vehicle was a 573 00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,120 nasa lockheed vehicle 574 00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,880 okay thank you 575 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:40,400 okay now we'll go to brian from the 576 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:51,350 okay i don't hear anything from brian 577 00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:52,640 now we'll uh 578 00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,240 move on to amy spittak from aviation 579 00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,880 week and everybody be sure and uh mute 580 00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:00,400 your phones after you've finished asking 581 00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,350 hi um my question is um i guess for mr 582 00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:09,600 christian meyer or mr guyer 583 00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,080 will development of the module include 584 00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,559 flight ready spare hardware for missions 585 00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,480 beyond the 2017 586 00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,120 2017 flight and if so 587 00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,440 who is going to own that hardware 588 00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,520 and will european industry be involved 589 00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,760 in those missions even if it 590 00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,440 means additional costs or would 591 00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,240 production of the module stay in the u.s 592 00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,480 thank you 593 00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,919 the agreement 594 00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,200 includes this 595 00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,760 the highlighted area in white 596 00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,080 will be provided by issa that includes a 597 00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:42,159 sparing 598 00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,320 where you buy you know one of a certain 599 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,799 set of items so that if something breaks 600 00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,120 in manufacturing or testing we have 601 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:53,200 spares for that so it's 602 00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,640 that's the agreement um isa also agrees 603 00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,720 to support the sustaining engineering of 604 00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,400 that element so as we're doing testing 605 00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:01,760 or flying it that they'll have the 606 00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,240 expertise needed uh if we have questions 607 00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,320 of course it's a highly integrated 608 00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,760 vehicle 609 00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,840 none of these pieces fly by themselves 610 00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,520 in fact the cm and the sm don't fly by 611 00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,600 themselves other than the last few 612 00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,280 seconds after separation so it's a 613 00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:17,600 highly integrated vehicle we'll have 614 00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,640 uh will be tied to the hip for from now 615 00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,039 until uh through the flight with 616 00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:24,960 engineering and he says is supporting 617 00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,679 that in their plan 618 00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:30,080 and in terms of the kind of the future 619 00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,200 activities 620 00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,039 we really haven't really defined that at 621 00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,039 this point we've we've set up for the 622 00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:37,919 em1 mission as marx described we've got 623 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,720 some spares key components for em-2 624 00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,240 we'll we'll see what we want to do with 625 00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,720 that mission and then beyond that 626 00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,960 we've protected both ways we've we've 627 00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,720 made sure that we've kept the right 628 00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:50,799 intellectual property that's available 629 00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,520 to us on the nasa u.s government side 630 00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,679 that we can manufacture the follow-on 631 00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,520 service modules 632 00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,679 if we need to on our side or if we 633 00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:02,000 decide that it's advantageous to us to 634 00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,679 continue in those future flights with 635 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,039 the europeans we can work with the 636 00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,960 europeans to do that so we've really 637 00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,960 made no decisions about those future 638 00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:10,960 flights we think it's important to to 639 00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,919 set this up on the first flight and then 640 00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,760 plan kind of for that transition second 641 00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,760 flight and then beyond that we'll work 642 00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,600 together again as an international team 643 00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,440 and figure out what is the best thing 644 00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,840 for us in terms of human exploration and 645 00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:25,440 we'll figure out the way to do that as 646 00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,029 okay we'll go uh next to ken kramer with 647 00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,200 space flight magazine 648 00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:36,400 hi thanks for taking my question um 649 00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,200 i'm i guess i'm wondering about the uh 650 00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:42,080 the atv maybe for thomas writer uh 651 00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,000 if if how much of the em-2 um sm module 652 00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,080 would you build and i wonder if 653 00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,480 an esa astronaut might be aboard that 654 00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:52,559 flight which uh i think is going to go 655 00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,120 to the moon in 2021 or 2022. 656 00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,039 well thank you very much uh for this 657 00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:01,840 question as you can imagine i mean 658 00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,159 i addressed in my introductory remarks 659 00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,400 that this cooperation opens new 660 00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:08,320 perspectives for bringing humans beyond 661 00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,760 low earth orbit 662 00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:12,080 and certainly this is one of the areas 663 00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:13,039 where 664 00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:13,919 i 665 00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:55,360 the 666 00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:57,520 international space station but once 667 00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,400 again for the moment our focus is really 668 00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:02,159 on doing the technical the programmatic 669 00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,110 great thanks and maybe for bill 670 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,000 gerstenmaier or or mark guyer are there 671 00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,240 any significant changes you have to make 672 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:13,679 to the orion 673 00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:16,240 in order to integrate the uh 674 00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,840 the uh the european vehicle thanks 675 00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,240 yeah great question so the the 676 00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,240 we've worked really really well together 677 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,760 as far as getting the requirements set 678 00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:27,840 up so we can minimize that and we want 679 00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,400 to make sure that the ryan performs uh 680 00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:32,720 as we've committed that'll perform so as 681 00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,279 far as his performance 682 00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,880 it'll be the same so that's great the 683 00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:38,159 team's done a great job obviously 684 00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,200 there'll be some difference in the 685 00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:40,880 structural interface if you look at 686 00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:41,679 where 687 00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,799 the highlighted white area now 688 00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,799 interfaces with that crew module adapter 689 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,919 those 690 00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,600 on the locky design were one one 691 00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,679 structural piece so there'll be some 692 00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,360 difference as we figure out as we work 693 00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:55,039 together on how to attach those pieces 694 00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,559 and esa provides it then we do this 695 00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:58,080 assembly but i'd say that's the major 696 00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,200 piece 697 00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,960 we've also updated 698 00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,440 some computer interfaces 699 00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,799 and yet we're going to use the same 700 00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,039 network interface protocol so that makes 701 00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,279 it a lot simpler for us to work together 702 00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:11,279 so i think the team's done a great job 703 00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,350 okay next up is marcia dunn with the 704 00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,960 associated press 705 00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,279 yes hi good morning this question is 706 00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:23,679 probably from mr gerstenmaier but i was 707 00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,640 hoping to get the latest details on what 708 00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:29,039 the exploration mission one and two will 709 00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,559 entail could you just give the latest 710 00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,480 rundown on that and i have a follow-up 711 00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,159 please 712 00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,120 yeah em1 and em-2 at this point 713 00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,960 you know we conceptually talk about them 714 00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,840 going 715 00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,240 to the vicinity of the moon 716 00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:44,320 and that's a pretty broad space and then 717 00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:46,000 we're still looking at what the details 718 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,679 are of what we want to go really do with 719 00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,360 those missions are there any things that 720 00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,440 we want to do in those areas but it 721 00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,840 turns out for the initial 722 00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,240 sls configuration that's a very 723 00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,400 reachable space for us with the sls 724 00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,720 configuration so i would say at this 725 00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,799 point we're looking to assist lunar 726 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,279 space in the vicinity of the moon and 727 00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:06,880 we'll probably put some more details 728 00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,320 together as i described earlier 729 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,080 thank you i'm wondering if you have a 730 00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:14,320 target day for the second mission and 731 00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:15,520 and the 732 00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,320 bigger picture question might be 733 00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,200 we hear about l2 outposts corralling an 734 00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,350 what's your preference what would you 735 00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,520 like to see the long-term 736 00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,240 or i guess short-term long-term plan for 737 00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,360 the orion and sls 738 00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:35,919 in terms of major flight uh milestones 739 00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,039 we have the 2014 exploration flight test 740 00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,880 which will really 741 00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,320 be the kind of the first flight of the 742 00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,320 major orion systems and also really 743 00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,240 stress the heat shield as as we look at 744 00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,159 re-entry 745 00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,240 heating of that capsule at about 80 746 00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,320 percent of the lunar velocity return 747 00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,919 kind of speeds that that will inform the 748 00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,399 critical design review for orion 749 00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,360 then we have the e-m1 mission in 2017 i 750 00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,840 mean late 2017 and then we have the 751 00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,080 first crude mission of the orion sls 752 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:06,080 system in 2021 753 00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,760 and those are the the basic missions 754 00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,159 that we've laid out and in terms of my 755 00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,799 own personal preference i really don't 756 00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,760 have one 757 00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:15,279 what we're doing is we're really looking 758 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,640 at all these different options that 759 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,320 you've described and you've you know 760 00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,000 you've written about 761 00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,840 we'll take a look at all those we'll try 762 00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,440 to figure out which one is the best one 763 00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,360 to go do and when we figure out that 764 00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,200 it's the best one to go do and by best 765 00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:29,520 that's in the eyes of a whole variety of 766 00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,559 different stake stakeholders of which i 767 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,640 try not to take an opinion i lay out the 768 00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,240 data and we let them decide then 769 00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,720 therefore i'm not disappointed so i 770 00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,880 won't pick i won't take a position but i 771 00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,880 i'm excited about getting beyond low 772 00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,399 earth orbit i'm excited 773 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,840 about getting to the vicinity of the 774 00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,720 moon 775 00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,720 we really have a lot to learn 776 00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,960 you know we we went to the moon with 777 00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,600 apollo we went in very focused missions 778 00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,440 we didn't really spend a lot of time 779 00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,000 looking at what it really takes to do 780 00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,399 operations in deep space we're very 781 00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:02,240 comfortable now at least in low earth 782 00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,520 orbit with the international space 783 00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,440 station we've had crews on orbit 784 00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,600 continuously for about 12 years we 785 00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,520 understand stable orbit rendezvous we 786 00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,840 understand navigation in low earth orbit 787 00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,600 there's a lot to be learned in deep 788 00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,840 space and how do we protect our crews 789 00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,000 how do we look at return trajectories 790 00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,840 how do we look at 791 00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,559 redundancy in systems you know orion's 792 00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,760 designed 793 00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:26,080 to have some leak in the capsule and 794 00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,840 still return safely from the moon that's 795 00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,320 a tremendous design feature how do we 796 00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,159 exploit those features and move forward 797 00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,080 so i think again we have lots of things 798 00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,240 to discuss we'll we'll make those known 799 00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,480 as soon as we can let them know 800 00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,399 they make sense to tell us that that's 801 00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:42,159 what we want to go do but for now i 802 00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,600 think it's best we kind of look at all 803 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,120 those and look at the advantages and 804 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:47,360 which one allows us to move further and 805 00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,799 faster into exploration and deep space 806 00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,799 thank you 807 00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:54,799 okay next we'll go to dan leone with 808 00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,279 space news 809 00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,520 hi everybody thanks for having us i've 810 00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,080 got one for mr gerstenmaier one for mr 811 00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:04,799 ryder uh i'll start with the one for 812 00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:08,559 bill uh is there going to be any esa 813 00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,480 hardware on the eft-1 flight next year 814 00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,960 and then separately mr ryder since 815 00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,799 you're over on this side of the pond 816 00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,880 this week does this deal have any 817 00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,200 implications for a possible common crew 818 00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,600 exploration vehicle that esa's talked 819 00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:25,919 about before 820 00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,399 okay first of all on eft one i'll have 821 00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,240 to ask mark i don't believe there's any 822 00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,240 issa hardware on eft one but mark can 823 00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,720 confirm that no there's not it again 824 00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,640 we're uh really that flight is all 825 00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,720 really about the crew module 826 00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,399 and about key separation events so we'll 827 00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,559 do a launch abort system sep and the 828 00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,399 fairings will also separate so it's 829 00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:45,919 really the rest of it is all about the 830 00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,799 crew module so it's a there is this esa 831 00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,559 hardware is now flying on that flight 832 00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:53,200 this esa hardware helps us get em1 or we 833 00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,799 need a fully capable service module 834 00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,960 okay so to answer to your question uh 835 00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:00,960 related to kind of common crew 836 00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,320 exploration vehicle no this is now 837 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:06,960 the focus from an is our side let me 838 00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:09,760 address in this context that 839 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,799 our director general has decided or 840 00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,399 decided on on 841 00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,480 three strategic destinations those are 842 00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,440 low earth orbit represented of course by 843 00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:21,679 the international space station moon 844 00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,640 mars for the moment robotic exploration 845 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,799 but of course with the ultimate goal of 846 00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:29,440 human exploration in the past yes we 847 00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,919 have been doing various studies in 848 00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,840 the direction of supporting or 849 00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:37,760 complementing 850 00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,880 exploration activities with european 851 00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:42,320 infrastructure 852 00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:45,519 making use of the ariane 5 making use of 853 00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,519 the atv however this is now where all 854 00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,320 these activities are basically convening 855 00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,880 in this corporation in mpcv 856 00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:55,679 now 857 00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:59,200 of course i think this is not the end of 858 00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:00,480 of the game 859 00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:03,919 this is the start of uh 860 00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,559 extended cooperation and of course we 861 00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:09,440 can imagine that in the further path we 862 00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,240 can 863 00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:12,880 expand on that but once again 864 00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,559 i think for the next years to 2017 865 00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,519 there's a lot of work ahead of us and i 866 00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:21,519 think this is what we 867 00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,039 at the moment will really focus on and 868 00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,760 the scenarios that will come then beyond 869 00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,159 i think your questions uh the other 870 00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,919 question that have already indicated 871 00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:34,240 what will will really be the destination 872 00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,279 then 873 00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,440 that will be solved as we go along at 874 00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,679 the moment i think it is important to 875 00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,600 point out that we find additional 876 00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,000 synergies that you build on expertise 877 00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,799 that is also available with the partners 878 00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:49,679 and that we have actually with this way 879 00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,720 a vehicle that has a certain operational 880 00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:54,559 flexibility in the sense of what 881 00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:57,919 destinations then will be chosen 882 00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,399 okay thank you everyone 883 00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,559 okay next is stephen clark with space 884 00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,950 i think so uh just a couple of questions 885 00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:09,760 and 886 00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,120 first of all uh for mark guyer maybe um 887 00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,279 who whose responsibility is the engine 888 00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,760 for the uh service module is that 889 00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:19,440 uh nasa responsibility and what type of 890 00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,399 engine would that be and have a 891 00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:21,600 follow-up 892 00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,799 yeah good question um the main engine 893 00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,919 we're going to use the ohms from the 894 00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,000 shuttle we have those left over from the 895 00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:30,320 shuttle we were going to do that 896 00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,600 the nasa side was going to do that 897 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,000 anyway and so now that we made this deal 898 00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,840 it made a lot of sense given that we had 899 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,279 an engine that had this performance and 900 00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,960 capability to 901 00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,480 make it part of this agreement so we'll 902 00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,640 provide the ohms engine 2 esa and 903 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,679 they'll integrate it into their 904 00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,320 propulsion system 905 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,440 and follow up to you mark 906 00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,039 did you walk through some of the some of 907 00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,679 the milestones this year for the orion 908 00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,120 51 909 00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,600 uh testing uh kfc 910 00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,159 and uh also we discussed the uh the 911 00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,840 cracks that were found in that bulkhead 912 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:03,120 have those been 913 00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,880 repaired and what was the cause of that 914 00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,360 force good okay yeah a lot of key 915 00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,280 milestones so we've got a 916 00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,040 um 917 00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,960 loads test where we'll actually 918 00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,960 pressurize the element and then apply 919 00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,480 load to the outside of the structure to 920 00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,919 make sure the structure 921 00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,599 we're getting the response as we expect 922 00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:21,200 before we put all the hardware on board 923 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,720 that'll probably be in the middle of 924 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:24,240 february this year 925 00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,440 we're doing 926 00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,280 avionics testing in denver we'll run 927 00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,839 through the next version of the software 928 00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:31,359 here in the spring 929 00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,560 that's key because we're actually 930 00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,960 testing the power on and functional 931 00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,000 testing 932 00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,679 of the software in our lab in denver 933 00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,520 before we actually use it on the vehicle 934 00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,280 in the onc and kennedy so that'll be in 935 00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,800 the spring of this year 936 00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,480 in the summer this year we'll actually 937 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,960 power on the avionics in the crew module 938 00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:48,480 and we'll and we'll deliver the heat 939 00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,760 shield itself 940 00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,520 so those are big milestones and then 941 00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,200 toward the end of this year 942 00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,760 we'll actually finish uh and get ready 943 00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,839 to deliver the element uh to the launch 944 00:35:01,109 --> 00:35:00,240 vehicle folks so a ton going on this 945 00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:01,119 year 946 00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,400 um across the country uh in different 947 00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,119 subcontractors and and uh 948 00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:09,280 pieces of lockheed and nasa across the 949 00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,640 country so it's a huge amount of work 950 00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,160 this year 951 00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,480 uh yeah as far as the cracks go they you 952 00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,839 know in the 953 00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,520 it's a um 954 00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,680 very complex primary structure because 955 00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,520 it it sees a lot of different driving 956 00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,280 loads whether it's a landing load a 957 00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,520 pressure load an abort load so it's a 958 00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,680 complex design the team's done a 959 00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,920 fantastic job 960 00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,680 given that it turns out that there was 961 00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,680 an area in the crew module where we 962 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,440 underestimated some things like 963 00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:37,680 shrinkage of the weld 964 00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,960 and behavior some of the materials 965 00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:42,800 and so in that case we didn't realize we 966 00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,599 had a we were closer to the margins than 967 00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,720 we expected in one area on the vehicle 968 00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:50,320 of course we had cracks that were maybe 969 00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,839 i don't know half an inch big they never 970 00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,000 penetrated the pressure vessel but you 971 00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:56,000 don't want cracks and that's why you do 972 00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,839 the test 973 00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,079 we've come up with a great plan 974 00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,960 to basically bridge over those cracks uh 975 00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,800 to distribute the load 976 00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,560 um so that we won't see any issues on 977 00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,640 orbit as bill bill called them dustpan 978 00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,640 there it's a doubler so it's basically a 979 00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,560 piece of metal that kind of looks like a 980 00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,760 fan 981 00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,680 there may be two of them to distribute 982 00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,520 the load to a bigger area we'll 983 00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:19,599 basically bolt those onto the aft 984 00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,720 bulkhead 985 00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,839 inside 986 00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:23,200 and it'll distribute the load and then 987 00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,480 we'll be able to do the load test we 988 00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:26,079 have the design we're finalizing the 989 00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,680 analysis now 990 00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:29,599 to make sure we're not making stress 991 00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,400 load 992 00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,320 worse in other areas as we bolt this 993 00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:33,680 thing down that's normal when you do a 994 00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,119 doubler on aircraft or spacecraft 995 00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,440 that work will fit in within that loads 996 00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:41,119 test i described because we have a lot 997 00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,480 of other work to get ready for the load 998 00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,000 test a lot of the hardware to install 999 00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,760 that is going on in parallel while we 1000 00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,800 work this 1001 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,000 uh crack 1002 00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,320 repair design so like i said we'll have 1003 00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,160 that ready to go before we do the loads 1004 00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,640 test in the middle of february 1005 00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:56,240 and we and when in the load steps as i 1006 00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,599 said before we will pressurize the 1007 00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,880 elements so we'll test it again we'll 1008 00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:01,040 make sure that the repair is good 1009 00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,480 along with doing the rest of the test of 1010 00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:04,320 the load test so 1011 00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:08,160 yeah good question a lot going on 1012 00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,470 good afternoon gentlemen 1013 00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,400 i think my question is for uh 1014 00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,640 uh william grissomeyer and mark guy at 1015 00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,200 least to start first did i understand 1016 00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,200 you just say that uh 1017 00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,000 the iga had already been signed with isa 1018 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,160 if i understood what happened at the esa 1019 00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,720 council in november the agency only 1020 00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:32,400 committed to the station for the next 1021 00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,599 couple of years 1022 00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,440 and only a little over half of the 1023 00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,520 funding they need for the 1024 00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,359 service module 1025 00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:40,640 so maybe you could give us a 1026 00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,920 clarification of the status there 1027 00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,160 in terms of the service module agreement 1028 00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,400 there's an implementing agreement and 1029 00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,160 that that has been signed by both 1030 00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,119 parties both by by nasa and concurred on 1031 00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,960 by the appropriate government agency so 1032 00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,960 that's in place and that sets us up to 1033 00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,119 go do all this technical work and all 1034 00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,200 this activities that we described going 1035 00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,910 okay there's a concern for you that 1036 00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:07,280 they've only approved a little more than 1037 00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:08,400 half the money they need for this 1038 00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,390 i don't know thomas can address that i 1039 00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,000 mean 1040 00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,160 we'll let thomas talk in india then 1041 00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,440 we'll see i think this is the normal 1042 00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:23,920 process in asa we have 1043 00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:27,119 clearly made with a decision on 1044 00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,400 embarking on this post atv5 barter 1045 00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,040 element a commitment to support station 1046 00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,839 operations till 2020. 1047 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,880 now 1048 00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:37,680 as 1049 00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,480 in other agencies i think the 1050 00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,280 commitments for the respective funds are 1051 00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,599 distributed over time and for the moment 1052 00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,599 this is the first part that has been 1053 00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,599 committed in the past 1054 00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:51,680 ministerial in 1055 00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:54,320 november last year and the next part 1056 00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,320 will be then decided upon in 2014. so 1057 00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,119 i think this is just the normal 1058 00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,320 way how asa is deciding on its budgets 1059 00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:07,680 for uh not only iss exploitation not 1060 00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:10,960 only for mpc but for all programs 1061 00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,240 and i think in that respect there is a 1062 00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,240 clear path forward and there is a clear 1063 00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:17,839 commitment 1064 00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:21,040 on a really basic programmatic ground 1065 00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:29,589 next we're going to go to clara 1066 00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:42,790 and clara if you haven't unmuted your 1067 00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,750 okay we'll try instead 1068 00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:54,160 bill harwood with cbs 1069 00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,520 thank you very much and this is just a 1070 00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,200 follow-up on peter's question uh for 1071 00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:58,800 those of us who don't track isis budget 1072 00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,119 as closely as we maybe track nasa's what 1073 00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,440 what cost figure should go on this the 1074 00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,040 current agreement if it's funded 1075 00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,359 throughout uh through the first flight 1076 00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:09,280 and and the components that are planned 1077 00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,480 for the second 1078 00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:12,240 what sort of money is is involved here 1079 00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,870 okay i 1080 00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,160 have to say i 1081 00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,720 at this point uh a little bit reluctant 1082 00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,359 to really talk about financial figures 1083 00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,920 it is about 60 percent that has been 1084 00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:30,400 committed now for the first part 1085 00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:33,839 until 2014 the second 1086 00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:37,440 share which is a smaller one of about 40 1087 00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:40,640 will be committed then in 2014 1088 00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,599 and 1089 00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,599 the overall value okay i think this 1090 00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,520 figure is known it has been published 1091 00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,079 before is in the order of 450 million 1092 00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,550 thank you 1093 00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:54,560 okay and uh last on the list we have jim 1094 00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,670 uh yes thank you uh for letting us uh uh 1095 00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,000 talk to you all this question is for mr 1096 00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:06,480 uh ghost in mind mr dyer 1097 00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:07,440 there's been 1098 00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,200 over massed 1099 00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,280 what is nasa thinking about doing to 1100 00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,680 handle some of those uh issues 1101 00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,760 and does nasa see any problems with 1102 00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,520 reaching the goal of 1103 00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,839 i believe i read that it was 4 000 1104 00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:23,200 pounds over 1105 00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,560 over what the parachutes can handle 1106 00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,240 yeah great question the 1107 00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:30,240 um 1108 00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,760 what that really is is you take my 1109 00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,440 unmanned flight test article that we're 1110 00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,520 going to fly in 20 months and if you 1111 00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,920 then add all the crew and all the 1112 00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,440 systems 1113 00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,839 uh that you would need to fly on em-2 1114 00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,839 then you add that all up and yeah and 1115 00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,839 we're in that the crew module itself is 1116 00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,760 in that 4 000 pound range that we've got 1117 00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,119 to reduce 1118 00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,920 but but we're not flying em to tomorrow 1119 00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:56,319 we have a plan today 1120 00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,760 to get to an em-208 that that will meet 1121 00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,359 the parachute requirements and also meet 1122 00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,520 the 1123 00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,240 mass requirements that allow us to meet 1124 00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,800 our objectives on em1 and emt in other 1125 00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,839 words you have to be light enough that 1126 00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,599 the engines can push you 1127 00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,119 and get to the places you want to get to 1128 00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:14,880 so we have those targets 1129 00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,520 from from dan dunbacher who of course is 1130 00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,119 my boss at headquarters and actually 1131 00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,240 owns this integrated sls orion we have 1132 00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:23,760 those targets 1133 00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,280 that the lockheed nasa team have already 1134 00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,960 allocated those targets to the different 1135 00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,560 systems that we know need to get lighter 1136 00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,040 before we fly em-2 1137 00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,880 and we also had a lot of 1138 00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:37,280 a bunch of work even as soon as the last 1139 00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:38,480 couple of months and we had a big 1140 00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,760 meeting in december where we talked 1141 00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,400 about specific updates that we'll do for 1142 00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,640 em-2 including primary structure some 1143 00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,079 with the heat shield 1144 00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,599 and other areas of the vehicle that we 1145 00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,400 know 1146 00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:50,079 we can reduce the mass on and meet the 1147 00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,440 targets so 1148 00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,680 uh mass is going to be a challenge uh if 1149 00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:56,400 you remember on apollo and and and the 1150 00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,760 limb it was a big deal because any any 1151 00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,760 pound of mass you try to accelerate from 1152 00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,920 low earth orbit to the moon 1153 00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,839 and then get it home and land it you got 1154 00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,240 to multiply by nine all the systems that 1155 00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,000 have to support it in other words the 1156 00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,079 service module and then upper stage and 1157 00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,760 then the rock and everybody else that 1158 00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,839 has to push that mass so mass is is an 1159 00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,599 extreme premium 1160 00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,520 um it wasn't apollo it was a challenge 1161 00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,640 for them 1162 00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,720 we have plans to get to mtu but mass is 1163 00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,920 going to be something that we are going 1164 00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:25,200 to watch 1165 00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,960 every day and we're going to have to 1166 00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,839 have 1167 00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,319 options for reducing and all the way up 1168 00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,000 until we launch and remember an apollo 1169 00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,839 as they flew 1170 00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:35,040 they learned more and more about the 1171 00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,319 loads and environments they were seeing 1172 00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,000 and they were actually able to add 1173 00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:40,160 capability remember the first lunar 1174 00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,440 lander 1175 00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,920 i think apollo 9 that lamb could not 1176 00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,200 have actually landed on the moon and 1177 00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,880 done the mission but within two flights 1178 00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,560 they figured it out got the mass down 1179 00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,400 and by the end of flying apollo they 1180 00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:51,920 were actually flying buggies on these 1181 00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,960 landers so this is part of 1182 00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,800 why eft-1 is so important we're going to 1183 00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:58,240 we've got models 1184 00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,599 we've got a lot of experience we're 1185 00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:02,160 going to fly the crew module on eft-1 1186 00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,680 we're going to put it at 3000 miles 1187 00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,800 we're going to push it into the 1188 00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,240 atmosphere we're going to land it under 1189 00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,520 the shoots we're going to get a ton of 1190 00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,920 data about the loads we experience and 1191 00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,119 the environments we saw and that's going 1192 00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,680 to tell us a lot about where our margins 1193 00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,359 are on the vehicle that now we can 1194 00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,560 attack 1195 00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,160 and get ready for these manned missions 1196 00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,920 so we have a plan it's going to be 1197 00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,040 aggressive 1198 00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,240 going to be one of the key things we're 1199 00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,520 going to be watching all the way until 1200 00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,520 we fly people so 1201 00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,520 it's part it's part of the fun of 1202 00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,119 engineering making this happen right 1203 00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:34,240 it's not simple it's not a simple system 1204 00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,359 thank you 1205 00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:36,960 okay we'll try real quick again on the 1206 00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:39,440 two that we missed uh brian vastai from 1207 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:51,510 okay or clara moskowitz from space.com 1208 00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,870 okay since we don't hear from either of 1209 00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,400 them we'll take any follow-up questions 1210 00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,119 here in the room starting with mark caro 1211 00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,520 uh thanks mark caro for aviation week 1212 00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:01,359 again and i think i'm asking for 1213 00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,480 clarification on a couple of things just 1214 00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,640 because i might be a little confused 1215 00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,480 i want to make sure i understand the the 1216 00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:09,839 hardware that's involved in this 1217 00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:12,960 agreement is for the 1218 00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,839 2017 flight and then 1219 00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:18,640 partial hardware for the next one 1220 00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:19,440 and 1221 00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,560 agreement where you're 1222 00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,400 working off of the space station in 1223 00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:29,280 order to do this and and whether this 1224 00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,800 agreement 1225 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,359 accelerates any of the development for 1226 00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,760 orion in the service module 1227 00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,160 i'm just looking for some way to say 1228 00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:40,319 what each side is giving without 1229 00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:46,710 well i'll start with the what what is in 1230 00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,200 this current agreement which is again 1231 00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,440 for em1 and it's the systems in that 1232 00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,520 highlighted white area we are providing 1233 00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,880 some pieces 1234 00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:56,560 like the main engine 1235 00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,359 uh 1236 00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:59,280 some other propulsion hardware we're 1237 00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,560 actually providing and some network 1238 00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:02,160 cards so there's some cats and dogs that 1239 00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,520 we also provide 1240 00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,760 to close this deal but that's basically 1241 00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,560 it 1242 00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,440 isa does provide spares for em1 now if 1243 00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:11,520 we use them because sometimes you have a 1244 00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,560 spare sometimes because you break 1245 00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,720 something if we use them 1246 00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,400 we'll use them on e-m1 if we don't use 1247 00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,839 them that hardware can be applied to 1248 00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,319 em-2 so when bill's talking about spares 1249 00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:22,160 and beginning free m2 it can be those 1250 00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,359 things hopefully we won't break the 1251 00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,640 stuff and we'll have it available for 1252 00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:26,960 em-2 so that's the key 1253 00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,760 um to me that the the 1254 00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,839 the essential part of this is not 1255 00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,839 whether we accelerated something or not 1256 00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:35,200 it's actually 1257 00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,240 uh 1258 00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,599 initiating 1259 00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:39,280 international partnership beyond low 1260 00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,480 earth orbit that's really the key 1261 00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,040 certainly esa provides capability here 1262 00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,680 but we also now have some increased 1263 00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,079 integration you know because we're 1264 00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,240 separated 1265 00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,839 and so that's really what i'd say it's 1266 00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:55,599 not really accelerating stuff but back 1267 00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,400 basically initiating this new uh 1268 00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,560 exploration plan with uh 1269 00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,440 isa involved in this first flight 1270 00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,680 i think it's also important to note that 1271 00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,760 you know we're not reducing the lockheed 1272 00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,079 martin contract value it stays where it 1273 00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,920 is they'll have to actually do probably 1274 00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:13,200 some additional work that they hadn't 1275 00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,560 planned so they won't have to do this 1276 00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,000 service module work but they'll have to 1277 00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,000 do some integration work associated with 1278 00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,520 bringing this hardware together so there 1279 00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:22,079 will be some additional cost associated 1280 00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,599 with that but then there's some other 1281 00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,200 activities that were phased a little bit 1282 00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,800 later that lockheed was going to go do 1283 00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,559 that we'll make sure get done in this 1284 00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,720 earlier time frame so i'm not sure it 1285 00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,680 really 1286 00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,960 we got to be careful how we talk about 1287 00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,559 this i'm not sure it really saves us 1288 00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,400 money but what it does is i believe it 1289 00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,400 builds us a more robust development 1290 00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,559 schedule because it allows us to 1291 00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,240 essentially move some work that would 1292 00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,760 have been late and if we were to find a 1293 00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,760 problem in that work late then that's 1294 00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,680 tough to recover from to try to make a 1295 00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,599 particular launch date so it allows us 1296 00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,520 to kind of work smarter within the 1297 00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,680 contracts we have to make sure we're 1298 00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,079 going to get to those dates of 2017 and 1299 00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,760 the 2021 day with more robustness so so 1300 00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,200 we've got to be careful we shouldn't try 1301 00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,599 to go look at what esa's contributing 1302 00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,119 and then try to subtract that out of our 1303 00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,880 budget and say we're getting there we're 1304 00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,280 actually getting a better more robust 1305 00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,079 design by cooperating together so so the 1306 00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,559 the beauty of this is it it's helping 1307 00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,800 esa essentially 1308 00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:18,000 use that you know instead of just 1309 00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,240 building an atv that was dedicated 1310 00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,160 solely to space station they're now 1311 00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,160 getting a capability that can be used in 1312 00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,880 a variety of exploration activities into 1313 00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,480 the future and thomas can talk about 1314 00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,960 those so that's a big advantage to esa 1315 00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,880 the advantage to us is that it brings in 1316 00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:34,880 international 1317 00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,920 right at the beginning so then that 1318 00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:39,599 gives us a different flavor of what we 1319 00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,960 may do with some of these follow-on 1320 00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,319 missions some of the questions you were 1321 00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,480 trying to tease out earlier this gives 1322 00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,480 us a chance to experience some of that 1323 00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,480 early on and then make smarter decisions 1324 00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,160 and it also allows us to have a more 1325 00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,079 robust overall design to help us meet 1326 00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,960 our original commitments for em-1 so so 1327 00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,280 in a win this in a way this is a win-win 1328 00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,760 for both of us but it does 1329 00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,520 create a new interface that didn't exist 1330 00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,520 before and that interface has to be 1331 00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,440 carefully managed or you end up in you 1332 00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,960 negate all those good things i just 1333 00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,109 maybe some 1334 00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,680 very general remarks about bada 1335 00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,920 arrangements which so far have been a 1336 00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,920 very important element in this 1337 00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,680 international space station programs 1338 00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,839 things think about the nodes 1339 00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,400 that have been provided by some other 1340 00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,920 hardware that we have been bartering 1341 00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,000 either with nasa or also with our 1342 00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,640 russian partners so i think in general 1343 00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:33,440 as a kind of international cooperation 1344 00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,880 the barter 1345 00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,960 is is a very important element now 1346 00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,559 specifically 1347 00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,880 for atv 1348 00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:42,960 as you might recall in 1349 00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:46,079 in march 2011 the council the asa 1350 00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:47,520 council 1351 00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,559 decided upon not to continue with atv 6 1352 00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,480 and 7 but to 1353 00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:53,760 it would have been basically a 1354 00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,880 replication of the same where we are in 1355 00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:58,720 a phase where it actually would be 1356 00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,520 prudent really to do a redesign of major 1357 00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,400 system components or even move into 1358 00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,079 something new and that was exactly the 1359 00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:07,839 moment where we started the discussions 1360 00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,720 with nasa if we can 1361 00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:12,960 barter our common station operating 1362 00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,240 costs and other services in that way so 1363 00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,480 i think an excellent example where uh 1364 00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,720 really this spata was really beneficial 1365 00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,520 for both sides as bill just explained 1366 00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:25,599 from nasa perspective and from our side 1367 00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:26,640 really to 1368 00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:30,160 to use atv heritage to strategically of 1369 00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,920 course engage in a in a direction beyond 1370 00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,160 low earth orbit in exploration and 1371 00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,160 really to build on this on this 1372 00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:40,960 expertise which which 1373 00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,030 just if you could just clarify there i 1374 00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,800 wanted to make sure that i understood if 1375 00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,280 there was some 1376 00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,839 some contribution to the space station 1377 00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,240 that now shifts to this project or this 1378 00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:00,640 is sort of a 1379 00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:04,559 you know a new a new start as it were 1380 00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,599 what's intriguing is that the basic 1381 00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,839 framework of the space station 1382 00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,040 the folks that put together the 1383 00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,880 agreements at the very beginning it 1384 00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,880 actually says for space station or 1385 00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:17,599 exploration so what's what's really 1386 00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,079 amazing is whoever you know 1387 00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,319 negotiated and put together all those 1388 00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,400 fundamental agreements recognized that 1389 00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,480 station would be this first step going 1390 00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,280 forward so that gave us the ability to 1391 00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,800 go ahead and do what we've just done 1392 00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,160 through this implementing agreement we 1393 00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,079 had to formalize it in an implementing 1394 00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,319 agreement but the basic framework was 1395 00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:38,480 enabled by the basic documentation with 1396 00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,520 station so so you know we see this as an 1397 00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,160 advantage and it's really 1398 00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,079 this is really exploration so we talk 1399 00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,079 about station as being the first step in 1400 00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,880 exploration this is really 1401 00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,119 that evidence of that first step in 1402 00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,880 exploration not just the physical 1403 00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,960 hardware and understanding astronaut 1404 00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,119 health or long-duration microgravity 1405 00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,599 this is also showing how we can use 1406 00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,040 our understandings our working 1407 00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:04,480 relationships our contractor 1408 00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,109 okay and i think we also have a question 1409 00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:13,280 from the national nasa social media 1410 00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,319 online 1411 00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,480 yes we received a question from d 1412 00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,400 holzhauser on twitter 1413 00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,720 there doesn't appear to be any extended 1414 00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,440 hab capability are there any hooks to 1415 00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,160 add longer duration habitation 1416 00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,240 capability 1417 00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,839 yeah it and again what we've been 1418 00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,440 focused on here is we're building the 1419 00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,160 orion capsule and the sls vehicle and 1420 00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,839 then at some point if we're going to go 1421 00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,920 further destinations beyond say cis 1422 00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,839 lunar space or 1423 00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,520 to an asteroid to mars those kind of 1424 00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,200 destinations we're going to need some 1425 00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,520 habitation capability or some larger 1426 00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:48,000 volume for the crew to actually live in 1427 00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,599 and then the kind of the rescue 1428 00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,920 capability return capability comes from 1429 00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,480 the orion capsule so we do at some point 1430 00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,319 need to start looking once we start 1431 00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,160 picking destinations we need to go look 1432 00:53:02,309 --> 00:52:59,760 at what other hardware elements we need 1433 00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:02,319 to add such as a habitation module etc 1434 00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:03,599 as we start picking those other 1435 00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,319 destinations so so that's that's a good 1436 00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,319 point and we'll go look at those the 1437 00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,839 other thing i think i would also stress 1438 00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,079 too is you know we did this arrangement 1439 00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,920 with the european space agency we're 1440 00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,680 also looking with our other partners 1441 00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,040 throughout the international space 1442 00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,280 station program and then through other 1443 00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,800 exploration activities looking at 1444 00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,880 partners even beyond the 1445 00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,880 the iss team to see if there's other 1446 00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:26,640 contributions that folks might want to 1447 00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,359 be interested in making to help us move 1448 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,680 into exploration because i truly believe 1449 00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,760 exploration beyond low earth orbit is 1450 00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,280 going to have to be 1451 00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,839 international in activity and it won't 1452 00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,920 be bilateral i think you'll see us 1453 00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,520 reaching out to other partners moving 1454 00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,760 forward to find ways to to put things 1455 00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:45,680 together that help us both achieve what 1456 00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,559 we want to go do so again if you go all 1457 00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,240 the way back to station the beauty of 1458 00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,000 station was we had a shared common 1459 00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,079 vision we wanted a research facility in 1460 00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,319 low earth orbit then we figured out how 1461 00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,960 internationally to put together an 1462 00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,640 arrangement that allowed us to actually 1463 00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,160 implement and build the international 1464 00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,319 space station now today you're getting 1465 00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:06,319 to see kind of that first step as we 1466 00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,800 look beyond low earth orbit this is that 1467 00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,720 first step in international agreements 1468 00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:12,319 which i think will be much larger than 1469 00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,599 even the station international 1470 00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,960 agreements as we move forward in 1471 00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,480 exploration to build all these other 1472 00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,319 systems that was asked in the question 1473 00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:20,240 that we're going to need to go do these 1474 00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,760 these things beyond low earth orbit 1475 00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:25,359 thanks for that question 1476 00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,640 sure 1477 00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:28,880 compliment 1478 00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,000 what bill has just mentioned to the part 1479 00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:34,480 of habitation mode i think in that 1480 00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,960 context it should also be pointed out 1481 00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,440 that we are using iss 1482 00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,240 apart from the research objectives that 1483 00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,480 we have as a platform for technologies 1484 00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,960 that are exactly going in that direction 1485 00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:49,040 also on international level there is a 1486 00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,839 working group 1487 00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,240 international um 1488 00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:55,119 space exploration uh working group which 1489 00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,400 um is looking at at uh different uh road 1490 00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,559 maps in order to 1491 00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,920 define the next steps and the 1492 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,760 technologies needed so i think in this 1493 00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,040 context 1494 00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,720 we should also 1495 00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:08,880 still remind ourselves that we are using 1496 00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:12,160 iss also as a platform for technology 1497 00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,599 exactly in that direction you were 1498 00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,750 okay thanks for that question and you 1499 00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:20,400 can find our social media outlets for 1500 00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,359 nasa online at nasa.gov connect any 1501 00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,720 other follow-up questions here in the 1502 00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,640 room 1503 00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,079 okay since i don't see any i think that 1504 00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,240 wraps up our briefing for today you can 1505 00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,160 find uh photos videos and more 1506 00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:34,160 information about this and other orion 1507 00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,240 related news online at www.nasa.gov 1508 00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,480 orion and we'll go back now to the 1509 00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,559 regular nasa tv programming but tune in 1510 00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:45,200 tomorrow for the iss expedition 35 and 1511 00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,839 36 briefings which begin at 11 a.m 1512 00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,359 central and that's following our daily